Tag: Paramount

  • There’s still a chance Honor Among Thieves 2 happens

    There’s still a chance Honor Among Thieves 2 happens

    Shortly after the critical success and box office miss of Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves Paramount ordered a sequel script. John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein wrote it. Paramount, pre-Skydance acquisition, rejected it.

    That movie project is not dead, according to Daley-Goldstein who wrote, directed and produced Honor Among Thieves. Hasbro and their core producers are welcoming the duo to shop the script.

    Directors John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein say rights holder Hasbro remains determined to find a new studio home for “Dungeons & Dragons 2.”

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    “Yeah, absolutely,” Goldstein told DeAngelo when asked whether anyone was still trying to make the economics work. “I think Hasbro is a big believer in it, and if they can figure out a studio partner to make it work, they’ll want to proceed. As are our producers.”

    Now, there are a lot of reasons why Hasbro would be interested in the movie being made.

    1. They’d share the cost, though both Paramount and Hasbro took impingements.
    2. No other project generated more interest in D&D.
    3. Stranger Things is no longer a cultural phenomena. The expansion series are not generating the interest the original five season series did.
    4. The Forgotten Realms project run by Shawn Levy and written by Drew Crello after Rawson Marshall Thuber’s original writing is dead.
    5. The D&D Documentary run by Joe Manganiello and Kyle Newman is probably dead as it missed the 50th year anniversary it was announced for, by a lot, while remaining in pre-production.
    6. Craig Mazin’s BG3 sequel on HBO won’t start in earnest until after he’s done with Last of Us.
    7. John August’s Strahd-Ravenloft origin story for Netflix is announced, but barely started.

    It’s going to be a while before D&D for TV or movies are back, and from the above you may notice that lots of projects don’t make it from publicly acknowledged to publicly available — the only one not on the list in the post-covid environment is a single episode of Secret Level.

    • Additionally Hasbro-Wizards of the Coast had some involvement in Onward!, Stranger Things and are adjacent to sometime competitor/sometime cohort Critical Roles’ two animated series, kinda.

    Fantasy TV and movies are in a bit of a downturn lately. The Game of Thrones follow-ups aren’t as popular as that powerhouse. Cancellations despite strong critical reception are common. Cancellations of shows that were putting up numbers are common. Willow gone. Shadow & Bone gone. Six of Crows, announced and never made. Wheel of Time gone, but coming back animated. Rings of Power’s slow release schedule probably meant you forgot about it.

    When Paramount rejected the D&D:2 script they were scaling way back in order to get bought, eventually by Skydance. They are pulling out of that slow two years.

    Maybe the new Skydance-Paramount merger could mean they get back involved. David Ellison has a history of working with Hasbro, with Paramount before he owned them, and it is the press tour for his movie with Daley-Goldstein where the news of D&D:2 remaining in market became public.

    There’s additional pressure on Paramount and probably Warner Bros to get movies into the pipeline — their merger includes promises of 30+ movies total from the two legacy studios. To avoid lengthy legal battles one or both may start announcing a slate of projects soon, especially ones that are made in the U.S.

    Hasbro will want a film because they want to maintain interest in D&D the Brand — placements in big box stores, theaters, the top of Amazon — that can’t happen from core D&D. Plus, they never really released a book to go along with Honor Among Thieves, instead they merely credited Daley with co-writing one chapter in one book.

    The new “franchise” format should support co-releases much better. The seasons system could capture a Season of Thieves easily.

    Brandon Sanderson’s TV project, and the massive RPGs going along with it, are building up.

    Maybe competition, the legal issues around the merger of mergers, and the knowledge that Honor Among Thieves held streaming legs for two full years is going to push D&D:2 from written to pre-production.

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  • Honor Among Thieves could get a sequel

    Honor Among Thieves could get a sequel

    While chatting about Wish, Chris Pine suggested that Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves 2 is possibly/maybe going to happen. It wasn’t a strong statement, but it’s also the strongest since the co-writer/director duo were talking before the writers and actors strikes.

    “I’ve heard some rumors about it,” he tells us of a potential follow-up. “But I don’t know anything yet. But I feel pretty confident that it may happen.” When we ask if he’d be happy to return, Pine responds: “Absolutely.” 

    Gamesradar

    Now, I’m totally behind Gizmodo’s take — Make Dungeons & Dragons 2, you cowards.

    Why should Paramount and Hasbro remake this movie that fell short of its box office goals?

    • Because it wasn’t that short of the box office, and thanks to the shared nature of production costs the largest loss from either studio was $25 million.
    • Because a large part of that falling short was due to the compacted nature of releases that have meant a majority of films missed their targets this year. Releases are stacked up next to each other due to how the covid-19 pandemic reduced available theater openings for two years.
    • Because the marketing impact of the film for the game D&D meant that even when WotC released zero game products, the game division went up.
    • Because releasing more movies helps amplify interest in things like D&D: Adventures, the FAST Channel.
    • Because the TV shows ordered, TV in development (Kolstad) and the documentary would be boosted by the greater attention that major films still get over prestige television. There would be synchronicity, and unlike Marvel, Star Wars there isn’t yet danger of being overwhelmed with barely connected interoperable plots.
    • Because if they act quickly the main cast are available (a small benefit of the pauses due to the strikes). Pine has only 1 project (he’s said Star Trek IV v2 is dead). Rodriguez has 1 project, Regé-Jean Page has 1 project, Justice Smith has 4 projects. Sophia Lillis has 1 project. Chloe Coleman has 1 project. The cast that advocated for school D&D and grandparents D&D and just playing D&D in general is available now. That won’t be true for long.
    • Because Honor Among Thieves is still regularly one of the most popular films in the world. No, really. It’s top 5 on Paramount+ in the world this week and top 3 on P+ in the USA.

    That last point may be the most important. Long tails are rare in the current media environment. Many studios give up on “failures” rather than wait. The path to cancellation is quick. But Paramount and Hasbro haven’t given up on Dungeons & Dragons. It sits there on Paramount+ getting attention as one of the best found family films ever, a highly rated fantasy and it continues to help earn renewals at Paramount+ globally.

    So yes, I agree with Gizmodo on this point — released D&D 2, you cowards.